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11-03-2005, 12:23 PM
" Libera me, Domine, de morte aeterna
in die illa tremenda
quando coeli movendi sunt et terra,
dum veneris judicare saeculum per ignem."
Nearly two years ago, I gave life to the first incarnation of Engi. On that day, and the following weeks, it had only a few dozen members. It was a tight group, a solid group. From that core, we managed to grow, and gained more great members throughout the months that followed. Hardships and setbacks tightened the trust in the core, and we expanded more and more. And suddenly, Engi 2 came, and things began to change. A lack of depth, interest, leadership... Parts of that were my own fault. Parts of my fault consisted of the fact I trusted others to do work I should have done myself. If only my time had been limitless. If only... Ah well.
Needless to say, this isn't a joyful announcement. Or perhaps, to some it is. To myself, it has no meaning anymore. This announcement is made to explain to you all why I have come to the decision that leaving Engi behind me is in my own best interest, and perhaps in the better interest of those that have already decided to do the same. I have built this forum up in the first place, from scratch. I loved doing that, and I still remember those days as the better days of my 'online life'. However, those days are gone. The Engi I once created is gone. What remains is it's shadow, and I refuse to cling desperately to it, in a mockery of that which I once worked hard for. Indeed; to me, continuing now is senseless. Like a good book, or a movie, the end should come when it's still interesting and worthwhile. Doing so, the writer/creator leaves the readers/fans thinking about it. Good memories, I mean. In this case, that's already too late. To me, this has continued way too long, and I've had too many annoyances, aggravations and trouble because of and for Engi. My fond memories have been drowned in the seas of misery that this forum represents to me.
I may sound melodramatic. Perhaps I am. Perhaps some of you have no idea what I'm talking about. Perhaps some of you didn't notice the backstabbing, the lack of creativity, promises not being kept, people leaving, the petty arguements, and so forth. You all no doubt will, sooner or later. I want to thank the people who have stood by me while I created Engi. I also want to thank the people who stand by me when I leave for a new project. There's no need for me to name anyone. You all know who you are. Some of you may have already noticed the changes to the staff list... I think that says enough.
In the end, I do not know what will happen. Some of the Admins will stay, and the rebuild of Engi will still continue. Whether it will be completed, or ever be effective and fun, I do not know. Or perhaps I do. Perhaps that's part of the reason why I'm leaving. For those that care; yes, I will be building another forum and another RP. And yes, I do intend to ascend above all previous creations and accomplishments. And yes, this has already been set in motion.
For those that stay on Engi... I wish you good luck, and I sincerely hope for you all that have been waiting for the new Engi that you will enjoy it when it finally does reveal itself. Don't hesitate to give me a 'hey' on AIM if you might ever feel like it. I do not know whether my name will remain in it's red color. That part is up to samaru. Other than that... You all won't see me again here. Good luck, to everyone. May we remember eachother.
11-03-2005, 12:30 PM
Sad to hear. Good luck in the future.
Can we please have our souls back now?
11-03-2005, 12:35 PM
Good luck on the Bleach thing. I'd RP there if I happened to like Bleach. Sadly, I don't.
Can we please have our souls back now?
(No, any souls that are his property are still his property. You have to beg, sir.)
11-03-2005, 12:36 PM
There shall be no Bleach thing.
I see, well I always found you an interesting person on engi even if we didn't talk much but well keep in touch and btw is the new forum the World of Darkness project? (the vampires one) or is it the post apocalypstic story remember you talked about it awhile ago.
11-03-2005, 12:39 PM
There shall be no Bleach thing.
Well good. You'll have to PM me what the new thing is then, I'm out of the loop when it comes to this stuff. I might want to check it out then, since it isn't Bleach.
11-03-2005, 12:47 PM
Well what can I say... I can say a lot or a little but we'll see... Most of all I will try to be honest here. This is not an accusation, condemation, or any sort of bitching. I am sad to see you go and wish you'd stay, but...
You were one of several people that had me screaming in irritation. I couldn't ever find you and I really wanted to talk to you about a few things. I 'signed on' to work on the new engi and you were one of the people I wanted to pose a few questions to or maybe even work things out with.
But I couldn't ever find you.
Maybe it was just the way our schedules are but I'm more inclined to think you didn't want to be found. You were not avoiding me specifically, I know that much. You hardly even know me after all but I'd like to think I make a generally good impression. I don't know, maybe I'm just a pest and don't realize it.
I just can't help but feel that if I'd had a chance to talk to you more or demonstrated what I could do better that perhaps you might have seen that while some of the old times were gone, there was still hope. There are still people around who believe in this place even if they haven't been here all that long.
Now for a slightly less flattering bit...
What engi became was what it was allowed to become. Complete disinterest on the part of some of the higher ups was the primary cause of some of the problems. You say that there has been backstabbing? Do you know how you get stabbed in the back? By turning your back. The first step in being backstabbed is ususally to turn your back away and become oblivious to the fact that the stab is coming.
Maybe I'm wrong, like I say, I haven't been here that long but I've been around internet forums before and I've seen the politics of them.
Backstabbing in this case likely occured because people got tired of seeing nothing but your back. You were not the only one, if you had been then it wouldn't have been a problem really.
You don't like what engi has "become"? I have to ask you and anyone else who thinks that way why you didn't stop it before it got to this point. You had the power, you could of kicked ass, taken names, and got things on track and things would have been better for it but you didn't. Now you and others are just lamenting the fact that it's not the old days any longer and so you're leaving.
I have a character I've been working on for the new engi, and her nindo is "You only lose when you give up, everything else is just a reminder to try harder next time."
In this case, you lost because you gave up. All you had to do was take this thing by the horns and make it go where you wanted: You had that power and didn't use it. I would have helped you... I know that's not much coming from a mere normal forum member.
Hell I'll STILL help you because in spite of what I may have said here, I still respect you. I still think that you did a great job when you were doing it. Even if engi as it is now is a disappointment to you I assure you, it's a whole hell of a lot better than the many many layers of bullshit you'll find on so many other RPG boards. If this is what you call a failure then I have to say you have a pretty high standard for success.
11-03-2005, 12:53 PM
Aye, I do have a high standard for success. And I never will call Engi a failure. I am stepping out before it BECOMES one. My own lack of activity originated from the fact I placed too much trust in the abilities of fellow RP admin. I think I already pointed that out, but, seeing as you haven't been around long enough, you didn't notice that subtle hint and are now forcing me to say it out loud, which is something I wanted to avoid at first.
And, as most members know, I have tried to change things around. I wanted to end this façade long ago, but 52% voted against me. This is the result of that. I cannot help the fact some members (and staff members) are narrow/short sighted. The fact I decide to move on is one thing. The fact I decided not to burn the road behind me is what you should be happy about right now. Or not. Time will tell.
11-03-2005, 01:04 PM
I respect that, because like I say, I respect you.
I think you did a great job but I can't help but feel you lost interest in doing it. Engi or whatever project you work on is better off because of you and worse off in your absence. The only thing I find disappointing here is peoples willingness to give up.
Like I say, if you don't like it or where it's going, kick some ass and do it how you think is best. Out voted? Who the heck cares? You made this place, yell charge and I bet people will grab your flag and follow you. To destruction? Maybe but I doubt it, you're better than that.
I like this place. I like you too. I came here having never seen or read Naruto. I am an anime fan so naturally I had heard of Naruto before but I figured it was the DBZ replacement so I dismissed it. This place impressed me enough, with it's rules and story, to make me want to see/read Naruto just so I could play here and know what I was doing.
I'm only one person but you have to admit getting somebody who'd never seen Naruto to take an interest in it just so they could play here properly is a pretty impressive feat.
11-03-2005, 01:17 PM
Well ain't this a kick in the head.
I'm gettin this strange feelin of de ja vu here, Kotomi could tell you why too. It'd also 'splain why she's gettin so worked up over this.
Kotomi won't tell me nothin bout what was goin on so far as the new engi was concerned but it was pretty obvious she was annoyed sometimes about somethin, guess I finally know what.
Maybe she's right and maybe she's not I don't know but what I can tell you comes from my own perspective.
Somethin ain't been right here for awhile now and I could tell this havin not really talked to anyone. If this Pandemonium fellow leavin will fix that then maybe that's for the best but based on what Kotomi's tellin me him leavin ain't what this place really needs. I don't know, I've just been waitin to see this 'new and improved' system so I can maybe play a bit.
I never really knew you that well Panda, but, it's still sad to see you go. Good luck in the future, and whatever endevours you take part in. I just hope Engi won't fade away.
11-03-2005, 02:29 PM
Pandemonium, you need to realise that the system you created here is a work of art. The RP system is good here, and it works, it is not perfect, but it is beautiful in its way. Thanks for the work that you put into it so that we could all have such a fun ride. I never had the opportunity to RP with you, sadly enough, but know that I respect you none-the-less. While you are finally stating that you are oficialy leaving Engi, I need to be honest and tell you that I never really thought of you as being here on Engi, at least not in the time that I've been here. I've taken some time to look back over your first few posts and months on Engi, there was an excitement and a passion there that I'm sure you've noticed has been lacking. What the change was, I'm not sure, but whatever it was, I hope you are better for it. The thing about any type of leadership is that there is 20:80 rule. 20% of the people do 80% of the work. When half of the leadership does nothing, then 40% of the work dosn't get done.
I've always respected you to be sure. I honestly wish though that you had chosen to invest more of yourself here and that we could have become better friends.
Life is full of change though, so I can understand the need to wander, to create, to move on to something new. God Speed in all your endeavors.
Engi has always seemed to me to be the creation and playground of your friends Pandemonium, maybe you just feel like all your friends are gone, I know most of the original Admins have been banned. Regardless, enjoy, and may you never walk down a dark alley and find Kairi at the end of it ;)
To Jped: Engi will not be fading away, but rather the standard will simply be taken up by others.
To Engi Members: We will be continuing with the Revamp and have announced a deadline for all works to completed. I am not at liberty to reveal the deadline as of yet, but can simply say that Neo Engi will be coming very soon and we are close to being done. We are currently ironing out a few final details.
Wow, I'm sad to hear you are leaving Pandamonium, I'm even sadder about the fact since I'm a newb I never got the chance to interact much with you, if at all.
I owe you one for being one of the people who started this whole thing off, and I wish you all the best it what you do from now on.
And like Tigresame said, even though Engi is not as good as you remember it it is still pretty cool, in my opinion anyway. You have something to be proud of.
11-03-2005, 03:31 PM
Farewell Pandamonium puppet. I hardly know you and my farewell probably means nothing, but nontheless, thank you for creating something as fine as engi.
Human relation problems always occur constantly everywhere. It is purely understandable that the creator of something would get tired at some point and leave. All the best to you anyway...
11-03-2005, 03:35 PM
Well i although i didn't know you very well Panda, i wish you the best of luck on your next site. Expect me to drop in and have a look around. Even though i wasn't around for Engi 1 and the beginning of Engi 2, i still have to say that this is one of the best RP sites out there and it is like Tigre said, a work of art. Thanks for the fun man good luck with you next project.
11-03-2005, 04:10 PM
Like Bass, I just got here on Engi, but please allow me to say some things. I never had a chance to interact with you or anything, which I greatly regret. But I've seen your posts, and I can tell you worked really hard for Engi. Since I've found Engi it has been a part of my everyday life. I took baths thinking about how I can improve my character.Waited for rides to school browsing Engi; woke up at 5 o'clock! just so I could open Engi No Jutsu. At school, I got yelled at for designing my Sig instead of doing the assigment. As soon as I get home, without even changing my uniform or even enter my room, once again "Engi No Jutsu" is shown on my screen. On my bed before I went to sleep, I fantasizes about "how great my character would be". None of this is dramatically elaborated, just the honest, simple truth. For me Engi is the best RP site ever thanks to you, and maybe only seems to fail compared to the earlier Engi. I wont judge you or your decision Pandemonium since you're the one that knows the reasons and feels the feelings. Just wanna say, really sad you're going. And though it means nothing, you have my support and good wishes for your new project. Maybe you can give us news when it's finished? If it's anything like Engi, I'm gonna love it. Last but not least, thank you for this site and hard work this past 2 years.
Sorry to everyone for the inconvinience of reading me babbling. Just had to I guess...;)
11-03-2005, 05:02 PM
Man...never would have thought. Well, im not going to break out into a speach like the above post. Im sure your tired of reading the same thing over again. Everything i want to say has already been said. So the only thing i'll repeat is: Even though i never knew you well, and you never knew me at all, I'll miss ya.Thanks for engi Pandemonium.
11-03-2005, 05:09 PM
Yeah well... I can understand how it gets annoying to do all the work yourself. You're all saying that if he would've been here more, he wouldn't have had to leave. That's so unrealistic. "PP, can you do this? Do that? Wipe my ass for me?"
I mean come on... It's not like that and you all know it. Next to that, all you talk about is the work that's being done. You all don't even pay notice to the other reasons he mentions. No answer to it, I assume?
Anyways, ya'll may have noticed by now; I'm amongst the people that agrees with him, and taking my leave as well. Prolly not such a big shock to some as PP's leave may be, but yea... Cya, fuckers.
EDIT BY PANDEMONIUM PUPPET: Deleted some bits of rudeness. No need, my friend. No need.
11-03-2005, 05:37 PM
Well I know I haven't known you long enough, Benn through Engi 1 or most of 2 but needless to say I'm gonna miss you PP. Thanks for making Engi a work of art.
11-03-2005, 05:52 PM
Hoy, boy, this has been coming for a while it seems. Puppet as I have talked and will continue to do through verious online means, I won't be saying my goodbye to you just yet (hopefully never) this post is mostly in agreement to Miya(Masamune). Reading these post it sounds like some of you are wanting to be babysat. I don't mean this as an insult but its hard to phrase it any other way.
Through my various eyes and ears in the mod staff which has allowed to keep in knowledge of just about everything that happens. What I have heard has disturbed me a bit. More than likely shortly after Engi 3 I will probably be taking my leave as the future is a bit bleak. Though you people are forgetting about our current staff. While my own slight ignorance led me to be expelled as being a normal member. I don't hold very tight grudges. You should be showing your support for the remaining staff. If my calculations correct this would make Kaito the new head of staff and administration. So instead of saying what Puppet has done wrong, look to Kaito for he is the one now able to fix any the so called wrong doings. Though this will most likely lead to my own leaving due to some of the staff having a bit of grudge against my work
Puppet has given us quite a bit. Laid the foundation for almost two years of enjoyable roleplaying. How many of us can vouch for doing any better than he has? I for one can say that there are few people who have met and rivaled his dedication. For crying out loud. Most of the original administration and mod staff from the original engi are gone or demoted or are indefinite idleness. So summarize everything to fix your petty disappointments. Grow a backbone and do what you can to support this forum in every way possible. Trust me on this, the forum will need support. I think a few older threads Puppet has said some thing to the effect that he has been babysitting more than few, and if his duty were paid. He'd be the richest man in all of the Netherlands.
Now I know quite a few of you. Hell I've been here since the very beginning and been a mod for half that time and member for the other half. I know what it takes to keep this forum going. I've even paid money (I estimate close to 165 dollars, Puppet-san says its 250 but that’s just an estimations), how many people bother paying money. Look how many members we have, if each person donated a single dollar once a month, engi would always have all the funding it could ever wish. And if everyone contributed even tenth of what Puppet has, this website could very well become the most powerful roleplaying forum ever, (I've seen quite a few in my time).
Puppet has done more than enough for you people so give it a rest alright? Put your trust in whats left of the administration, and make sure you hold onto your hats. Ride has just begun.
As for a side note for all those who role play with me, I'll be making my leave to do what I can to help out with Puppet's new plans. I may or may not roleplay much in Engi 3. From what I've heard the new system will disallow most of my characters from ever being the same. That being that don't expect to see to much from there on.
When the time comes, we'll all be going to see just what Puppet can do. And I hope to see many of you here on the next RP forum, because no other Forum has had such a core group of players (Puppet words not my own). Though many of you have disapeared. Some have become lurkers so I'm sure you'll be reading this thread.
As a member as Engi, Good bye Puppet the administrator of Naruto RP but not good bye to you as a person. And people, donate some money, the coffers are close to empty. Gees.
11-03-2005, 06:34 PM
Well spoken, Dark. It's interesting to see that only the members of the first hour can relate to PP's feeling. Time for me to speak my mind, then. I've been in on this longer than most of you... Perhaps longer than any of you, counting days before Engi. Now I gotta admit that the whole Naruto scene is outdated and completely fucked over, but that says little to nothing about the worth an RP can have. With good storylines, a decent plot, good leadership, a tight community and a great system, every scenario can be succesful. However, it's a shame that Engi misses all of that, and, as one of the people who used to be working on the Engi 3 project before my voice was smothered by others and I didn't care enough to throw a fit over it, I can say that that part will not be changing. Even if the new system ever hits the forum, it will be incomplete, obsolete and of little change. I guarantee that.
In the end, you can all point at PP for not being around enough. Hell, point at me for not filling his shoes in those periods. I'd rather have you all pointing at me, since on overall I didn't do nearly as much for Engi as PP did. Your constant talk of respect doesn't show in the way you explain things, and I think you should all scratch behind your ears and ponder what the hell you actually want. I sure as hell know what I want.
More importantly, I also know what I don't want. I no longer want to be part of an ingrateful bunch of newbs who have no idea what they are talking about (proven by the fact that the core group sides with the P) but constantly thinks they have any right to voice themselves like that. I myself don't see Engi making it through this year. If it does, it will be no improvement. Like many others, I am sick of the mindless bickering, the rope pulling, the backstabbing, the idiocy, the shortsightedness and the waste of time.
I bid you all farewell.
11-03-2005, 06:37 PM
I foresaw some thing like this, and I can understand why you would leave. The interest and excitement this place once had is gone now, and for good reason. Engi died (for me at least) after Engi 2. The attraction it had just wasn't there anymore. Perhaps because of the rules, or maybe just that I was lazy and didn't feel like starting over. But one thing is for sure, Panda, I will follow you to where you may go. I'm a faithful believer in your genius, and all your creations.
I helped you make this place (whether it be in a small or large amount I do not know), and it's sad that Engi is losing such creativity that even you have left. But alas, like I said before, I'll stick with you where ever you may go.
You are, and always have been to me, my friend.
11-03-2005, 06:42 PM
I have only been a member of Engi for a short time, however, in that short time I did my best to learn as much about this place as possible. I ransacked the junk section and poured over character profiles. I re-read old announcements, debates, even waded through the numerous role playing threads created to help one staff member or another to improve their skills.
The conclusion I have come to is that without you there is no Engi. This place was your baby, your vision. You and you alone are the sole reason this forum became one of the most elite english speaking naruto role playing forums on the web. I also have decided that I wish I'd found this place sooner, because there were some great things happening here.
So now I'm going to ask you a question.
Take me with you?
^___^ I'm convinced that whatever project you next create will be an engaging and worthwhile experience. One that I'd really like to be a part of.
Plus...I'd just like to keep up with the man responsible for Hyuuga, Higure. Because that, kind sir, was fucking brilliant.
11-03-2005, 07:31 PM
I've already said my goodbye's to PP before, so I'll spare them from this thread. However, what I will say is that while this is a great loss to Engi, to lose someone who has done so much to build it, Engi is far from dead. The restart as others of the staff have indicated is plowing ahead, perhaps with even greater speed now than it did before, and is showing much promise.
Engi will endure and grow, so stick around, there's a great deal to come for the future.
11-03-2005, 07:38 PM
WOOOOHHHH!!! Now this forum is all mine!!! RAAAWWRRR!!!
But on a more serious note... I can see the problem for PeePee and the others, and what I see in reply from his old fellow Admins is just another plug for themselves to cover their own ass after having been placed in the line of fire. I think that post perfectly displays what some people tried to point out what's wrong with this forum.
Well, I never liked Naruto, never liked this RP... And all the fun people are leaving...
*picks up his penis and runs out the door swinging it like a madman*
11-03-2005, 07:47 PM
I like many who have posted here am new to Engi. Than even though I am still new to all of this I can tell this is the best rp site I have ever seen. Everything from the rules to the actual roleplaying is top notch. So I am very thankfull that you have done all that you have done. I am also very sorry to see you go. But I would love to come to your site when you make it so peace out for now.
11-03-2005, 08:09 PM
I havent been very long here, and truthfully, I really dont know you either. All I know is that you have created something that has come to be a part of my 'online life', as you put it; and for that i say thanks. The creator leaving his creation in the hands of those he created for is sad, but even in things that are true and real, it is inevitable. Much like the the teacher handing down his knowledge to his students. At least you are leaving it to those who would continue what you have started.
I am not new to forums. I am not new to online discussions. All I can say is that the Engi I saw was the best, most well thought out onine RPG I have ever encountered.
May your next projects be as good, nay, even better and successful that what you have already done here.
11-03-2005, 08:17 PM
Not a whole lot to say here. I will honour my promises, responsibilities, and obligations to Engi 3. I will submit the information that is my share. I will stick around to help put the RP on the right path in its opening days, and then I shall bow out gracefully and move on to whatever Puppet is creating.
I'll keep an eye on Engi, though, and there is no guarantee that I won't be drawn back, bitten by a bug-- but it's not likely. At this point, I can't even hate Naruto, I waste no time feeling anything for it and what has kept me this long has been those people with whom I have roleplayed.
So, this isn't farewell, but consider this my 3 week notice. I don't doubt that Engi can continue on, and it won't be by virtue of the system used, or the jutsus that are created, or even the storylines put forth. If it clings to its life, it will be because the quality of the roleplaying sustains it.
11-03-2005, 08:29 PM
I am one of those mods who was demoted because I quit, and honestly I expected it sooner. I was one of the first to quit but I found myself doubting my choice. As time has passed I find myself no longer doubting my first choice. I am leaving Engi permanently most likely, and if you hate me for my choice then more power to you.
11-03-2005, 08:39 PM
I'm not going to sit back and be one of those newer guys who makes a long and very pretentious speech. I wasn't here during the old glory days (though i didn't miss them by as much as some), so I don't really have a right to talk about how engi has changed over the course of my time here, as I've only been here since the changes. I'll that I can say is that I'm thankful for the chance I've been given here to have my first RP experience on what seems to be the best site on the net. Thanks, PP, and so long. Good luck in whatever you may do after this. Also, goodbye to the many who are leaving with him. I wish you all well in whatever course you take.
Jesus, it seems like everyone is leaving, and even though they say Engi will go on...i get the feeling it may die. Which is not what i want, i prefer Naruto more than other Anime's...and it's a great RP.
11-03-2005, 08:59 PM
I really dont believe it wont. I've been to similar sites, ages old, wherein the original creators have already quit, and yet it lives on, even basking in greater glory than the originals. Although some die, it all depends on how the creator's successors, and the existing members, work in caring for the creation. When they go, they leave the future on Engi in our hands. Whether it dies or lives will be our choice.
11-03-2005, 09:04 PM
Well put souichiro. :)
11-03-2005, 10:00 PM
Bye PP. Wow... this is a shock. I've been on engi for a long while... (although i had my other account first). It's kinda weird seeing you leave. But I suppose everybody will leave engi sooner or later. It can't last forever can it? And if it does we'll perish and leave in a sense. I remember the first engi and i was a newbie and since i had no rp'ing experience i turned to the debates forum. I had a lot of fun there. I guess i feel kinda priveliged to have had a good few debates with you. I learned a lot from you, so thank you. Good luck in your future and with your next forum
Here I am lurking the forums and what do I see? This topic. It doesn't really surprise me to be honest. Even before, just after the second remake of the roleplay, it was clear you detached yourself from the site, for which you probably had your reasons.
I think I'm in a good position to know it: what simply isn't fun isn't really worth clinging to. Roleplay was static, and yes I'm a "WoW addict" maybe but well, if I am now it's because I have more fun there. If something isn't really happening, I won't lie to myself and pretend everything is fine. That was why I resigned as mod too - I wasn't going to devote time to something I had lost interest into. And when I tried to crawl back, I realised things had changed. Everything was alien to me and it simply put me off. That's why I decided to wait until the final review of the roleplay to actually give it a try again. Then again, I'm skeptical at my ability to enjoy it again. Not because I fear it will not be well made, just because I might have already have burnt myself out. So yes, your departure isn't really a surprise nor do I blame you for doing so.
Things change, people come and go. But the show must go on. Good luck on your new project. I think I'm correct thinking it's the Genesis Theory. If it is the same concept as you once mentioned, I foresee some nice stuff. I might drop by to take a look once the thing is up and rolling, albeit just to say hi.
I can't believe it's been almost two years. Haha
11-04-2005, 12:59 AM
If my calculations correct this would make Kaito the new head of staff and administration. So instead of saying what Puppet has done wrong, look to Kaito for he is the one now able to fix any the so called wrong doings. Though this will most likely lead to my own leaving due to some of the staff having a bit of grudge against my workActually, I have assumed that role so I'm now working to coordinate everyone and get the restart going as quickly as possible.
And while you've certainly been the cause of many an arguement on the forum Dark, with your idea's that push the rules more often than they don't, I do hope you'll remain. The members truly are the most important part of engi, so I hope all will remain and lookforward to what is to come, yourself included :)
11-04-2005, 01:03 AM
Yea, well i bet the last person you expected to hear from was Nick, Engi's offical asshole. But even I have a say in this puppet, been here long enough to get one.
In all honesty, I saw this coming a year ago, suprised you made it this long. No one blames you, hell there have been many times i've had to turn to you for some help and simply a friend on here to either kick my ass into shape or stand by my side.
And hell, our RP's were always legendary. I'm just upset that you won't be around on Engi 3 for me to get my re-match and finaly kick your ass all around in the rp. But hell, your an adult and we both know you got your shit, I got my shit, and that shit just doesn't co-exist in the same place. So good luck man, stay safe, stay sane, and remember Semper Fidelis (Always faithful).
11-04-2005, 01:06 AM
I also dont know you well but i find it regretful that a higher up would leave. I'm not also sure if you would still be checking this thread but if anyone knows what site PP's new project is could you pm it to me??? I'd like to know since narutorp is a great rp thread and i think anything that have something to do with PP is great.
People got bored on this rp site mainly because there are not many members who are devoted to this. Unfinished thread, unfinished talks, etc. Like me for example, I'm lonely (and somewhat bored) since I still don't have a team. I always linger on this site but not logged in since I feel like I'm being taken forgranted.
11-04-2005, 01:29 AM
Well I didn't see myself replying to a post, but I am planning on staying for as long as it seems effective. Right now only planning for two characters now. I'd do anything to help out, as long as theres hope for Engi I'll remain though I do plan on helping Puppet more than anything with GT when he's ready. But as always my services will be available to whoever asks, admins, mods and members alike. Even if I do leave while Engi lives I'll welcome helping with producing Jutsus and such (giving tips, help with character creation). I enjoy making things. Thats all.
Yuami will be the same
Mint will be using one of the new systems *glint* Not pushing the rules. Hopefully
11-04-2005, 02:14 AM
I feel like I should say something but I really don't want too. Personally, I'm not one for goodbyes or anything like that so I'll keep it short.
Now, I arrived on NewEngi after everything quited down and I can't say I've ever been on an active roleplaying forum ever but I stuck around because Naruto was cool and the place had promise. Now I'm here because of the people - my friends - and because I don't want this place to die. If I must go down with the ship then so be it but I'm going to be here until I'm treading water.
11-04-2005, 07:06 AM
Everyone's leaving... Soon no one shall remain.
I'm horrid at these things. Thus I shall keep it simple:
Thank you for everything you've done for this site, for creating it and helping it flourish and staying even though you wished to leave. I thank you for every moment I've had on Engi, whether it be joy or anger. Neo Engi would not be the same; it won't have the same sentiments as here.
I don't want this to end, but nothing in life is eternal. And thus, instead of saying farewell, I say this instead:
11-04-2005, 09:06 AM
My last post here before I continue on... What I leave behind here, this forum and server... I leave it all to Samaru. Your lives lay in his hands now. To Sam; best luck in the world. To TLLOTS; Same to you.
To all the members who stay behind here; have fun. I hope my past efforts will be remembered. For all those that follow me now and might follow me later; I have only just begun. What I have learned here, I will use and improve elsewhere.
11-04-2005, 10:35 AM
Well, PP, what can I say? This was due all too long ago... You were the heart and soul of this place, and without you, seems like there's no worth to the site anymore. After the first revamp, we all knew it, but no one really wanted to, or had the guts to say; Engi- the real Engi, died with the revamp. Stories we worked so hard on, characters we built from scratch and then saw them evolved were wiped out and most of us were quite reluctant to start over. But we did, because we had faith in Engi. I feel quite the same as you, my crazy Dutch friend, and I'm partly glad I had my own "excuse" to leave Engi, for if not I don't believe I'd have had the nerve to leave this beloved place on my own. I always saw myself as Engi's story teller, letting dozens of newbs get to know what happened here before they got around, so for the last time, please let me tell Engi's story, as I know it (though I do not know the entire story), from the day it was thought of, to this day.
...It all started with a hack. Never understood online politics, and I probably never will. What the hell is wrong with people, getting so mad and angry over sites and scheming plots to take over this forum here, and that forum there? There really isn't anything to get so serious about... It's just internet site we're talking about, isn't it? Too bad my views weren't shared by the people who hacked NarutoForums. You see, NF (short for NarutoForums) was a home for quite a lot of Naruto fans, a large boards system for all kinds of topics, some related to Naruto itself, and some related to the NF community. One section of NF was the RP section, where a few dedicated RPers RPed to their heart's content in their own forums, minding their own business and harassing no one (save, perhaps, the exceptional girl who happened to stop by the RP section :P). Unfortunately, it was online politics within NF that made it vulnerable to many hacks. With each hack, the forum got restarted; the same goes for our beloved RP section. After a few hacks, one after the other, three men (Yes, I 2 out of three were less than 15 at the time. Artistic licsense, ok?) had had enough. Those three men were Final Ultima, Lord Manten and Pandemonium Puppet.
PP, Ultima and Manten got together to create a forum system unique to Naruto based RPing- One that would be completely separated from NF, and thus will have no part in the re-occurring hacks it had sustained, but also based on the growing community of its RP section. Final Ultima had given the site's name- Engi no Jutsu, meaning, from Japanese, "acting technique". The site was originally hosted on Manten's server, the URL being www.foulpseudo.net.
Engi started small. As a matter of fact, very small. Armed with only a few dozen members (most, if not all, coming from NF's RP section), the site set out a goal to be the best Naruto RPing site on the net. A lot has happened in those early days, mostly modest RPing threads and non stop recruiting, but over time Engi has grown. Mods joined the staff, helping the original 3 admins with the work load, and more members came pouring in. The first shockwave the site endured was when Lord Manten was voted off the staff and the site, and then replaced by Berserker, one of the first mods. In the RP scene itself, things were getting quite interesting, as the notorious Death Village started growing in numbers and power, finally attacking the Leaf village in one of Engi's larger and definitely most participated threads. Also, other countries of the RP world did not suffer from the lack of activity- Stone and Sand had signed a peace treaty, after cold (and sometimes not so cold) war which lasted over a century. Water country had its 7 legendary swordsmen and the mighty Hyousetsu clan to keep it busy, and also Cloud and Waterfall were buzzing with RPing activity. Of course, not all countries were so active- Rain was soon gone, having only one partly active team. The same goes for the Wave country, which died shortly after being registered. Indeed, Engi was filled with fun and surprises.
After a few months of building the site and strengthening its community, many thought it was time for something new, an event which will have everyone in it. The Chuunin Exam. Teams from all around the RP world had traveled to the Leaf village to take part in the event- Many whom had genin characters wanted badly for their characters to get promoted. The exam, however, was a big failure. The system, as original and creative as it was, had many flaws within it, and by the end of the exam it became obvious that the entire exam was a mistake. People actually lost purposefully for the sole reason of ending it as soon as possible. Many more people became angry that their teams were handicapped from the start of it by the rules of the system created for the exam. The blame, in the end, was directed at Final Ultima, the author of the exam, and he was demoted as admin. There were many reasons for booting Ultima out of his adminhood, but for sake of good will I will only point out that the exam's failure was but a trigger, the real reasons for the demotion are known to but the few who were there at the time. Shortly thereafter, CNagy, another mod, was promoted to admin.
At this point, my friend, I will cease my story. There are many details I don't remember, and many more I have excluded from this small article, either from laziness or for my own reasons. In any case, I would like those who remember the events told in this post to comment and add as much as they like, and I will continue on with this story at another time. Until such time arrived, goodbye and good luck ^_^
All I can say is: Thanks for the best RP I've ever been in, and like Kotomi said, you should have stoped the unwanted (by you) change while you could. I think you still can, so maybe you can have a go at it.
11-04-2005, 12:31 PM
Just wanted to say that i agree with the part by Miya about "PP do this for me, PP wipe my ass" etc...
Just because he's the owner, doesn't mean he has to do everything.
My own board died immediately after i decided to leave. Or maybe not immediately, but soon after. But anyway, Engi looks like it still has a decent enough members of staff, so i suppose it won't be as pathetic as my board.
I hate online politics, and tend to stay out of them as much as possible. (This sort of sentiment arised after my board died) Thus, i enjoy staying a noob as much as possible, and not know what goes on with the online politics.
I'll still see wat neo engi has to offer, and at the same time, i'm also interested to know what kind of new project PP is doing. Although at this point, i'm more of wondering how i am supposed to find out about PP's new project...
11-04-2005, 12:38 PM
Ask him, I'm sure he'll tell you. (though maybe you should wait for him to finish it)
11-04-2005, 01:49 PM
I feel like I should say something but I really don't want too. Personally, I'm not one for goodbyes or anything like that so I'll keep it short.
Now, I arrived on NewEngi after everything quited down and I can't say I've ever been on an active roleplaying forum ever but I stuck around because Naruto was cool and the place had promise. Now I'm here because of the people - my friends - and because I don't want this place to die. If I must go down with the ship then so be it but I'm going to be here until I'm treading water. I've already said my goodbye's to PP before, so I'll spare them from this thread. However, what I will say is that while this is a great loss to Engi, to lose someone who has done so much to build it, Engi is far from dead. The restart as others of the staff have indicated is plowing ahead, perhaps with even greater speed now than it did before, and is showing much promise.
Engi will endure and grow, so stick around, there's a great deal to come for the future. I really dont believe it wont. I've been to similar sites, ages old, wherein the original creators have already quit, and yet it lives on, even basking in greater glory than the originals. Although some die, it all depends on how the creator's successors, and the existing members, work in caring for the creation. When they go, they leave the future on Engi in our hands. Whether it dies or lives will be our choice.
I'm glad to see we have people of this character still with us. As long as we have people who retain this frame of mind then there is a bright future for this forum.
I consider myself a very new member, especially in terms of RP. Regardless, I share the attitude of Cannonball in this matter. Samaru helped create Engi and he has woked hard to improve and maintain this place for all of us.
I don't know what I can do or if I can be of any help, but I am here to stay and intend to work with Sam to steamroll this speedbump and pave the way for a new future for Engi.
Nicely said crusader...
for all the people leaving... wish you best luck in whatever you plan to do now.
That means most of the veterans of old engi left, only a few are still left... oh well, that is a major staff downsizing but I still have hope for engi and will stay to see where this forum is going.
11-04-2005, 03:45 PM
Blah, blah, blah. Forgot to mention that I'm staying and still working on the 'neo Engi'. (Hey man, isn't it dooming the third revamp when we name it after Keannu Reeves?) Either or, I have hope for the new system, and I am looking forward to RPing in it. Just know that we are working.
11-04-2005, 03:50 PM
I'm sticking around. This place is like a safe haven for me, i've made good friends, found a place to become more creative and have actually become better at writing. Like Cannonball said, if i must go down with this ship then i'm not leaving till i'm treading on water.
Gonna say i'm gonna miss some of the people that are leaving, and that you guys might want to stick around. Without a great crew, this ship will be nothing.
I stayed away from this thread, mostly because I felt that there was no need for me to say anything. However, there is one thing I need to add.
<- is going to be staying
That is all. Thank you.
11-04-2005, 06:58 PM
Ah Panda, thanks for the RP and its kinda sad to see you go. But I would like to say this to brighten up the future for all those looking at this post and thinking it is the doom of the forum.
Panda may be leaving, and a few people along with him, but I thought he was gone a long time ago until he posted to something I said in a discussion. I know he has been here doing things in the background, and his presence will be missed, but this forum is strong. We have a few very capable higher ups left, and that is all we need. This is "neo engi" and people are going to have to step it up and attempt to fill the places of the ones that are leaving.
As far as normal members go, I dont think we have to worry about that. We will have a fresh surge of naruto newbies come through here after the revamp has been finished and everyone starts RPing again. We will have to whip them into shape but this place is still going to go strong, so stay optimistic guys.
Last, but certainly not least, thank you Panda for creating this wonderful online community and all the hard work you put into it. Good luck and godspeed with your future plans.
11-05-2005, 12:13 AM
To Panda: Good luck mate, with your future projects. We've come along way, that's for sure. Your presence will be missed. If you need help embarking on anything new, let me know.
To everyone else: There are still lots of things I want to do with Engi. Things that are not done anywhere else, and has not been discussed in any thread. That is all I'm going to say for now....
11-05-2005, 01:47 AM
I'm staying here on Engi until I get booted out ><
I can also tell everyone that those who remain are working really hard and Engi will come back and wow you all.
11-05-2005, 02:16 AM
I want to give a warm thank you to PP for all the work you put into creating Engi for us. Truely, I must say that it is a work of art, and I have yet to see a better RPing community. For that we all owe you a great thanks.
There comes a time for all creators to step out of the picture and let things take their course. Sometimes their creations become greater because of it, sometimes their creations die. In either case you cannot fault the creator, but only thank him for the chance he gave us to live and stand on our own and improve the community as a whole.
I for one am positive that Engi can pull through this despite the loss we have suffered recently. I only hope that I can be a positive influence through these turbulant times, and help engi reach new heights.
Trust me guys... if we as members do our part, and trust the staff to do their part, we will pull through this and Engi will be better for it.
Farewell to those who leave us. Harah! for those who stay to make Engi work.
Teh Madd Hatter
11-05-2005, 03:45 AM
Well PP, hats off to you, quite literally in a sense. You have given, in my eyes the many die-hard and hopeless fans of this show a place to call home. I only wish that I could have participated in interacting in threads with you but I am not the strongest writer. With one measley character I see that others outshine mine by miles but it drives me to want to do better.
I wish you sucess in your future endeavors and if you or any of the Engi staff need help, I am there, I just hope that with you and Miya and manyother key staff that Engi will not die.
11-05-2005, 07:08 PM
I've been in doubt for a while... Stay? Or leave? I was pretty much settled to leave already... But I've decided to unpack my bags for now... I'll be there on the other side with PP when he needs me to be (probably will be there anyway), but I have a job to do here... And I'm not ready to back down yet.
Well seems like I have to agree with PP. I really never became true being of the core grouping, so it may be sort of a surprise. However, I noticed the foolery even from my outside view. The system that I was apart of didn't promote the true realm of RPing. I was hoping, clinging, to the possibility that E3 would be a decent remnant for me to hold on longer.
However, I guess not. This is my finale, and though some may not care I felt the need to truly let go. Hopefully when I scamper back in a few months my belief that Engi 3 will be great success and I can say hello again. I think that unlikely, but just maybe it can happen.
Now that I realize I'm simply rambling, I'll just have to say good-bye. One day some of you guys might see me. Who knows? Well...I'm off. Adios, hasta luego.
11-13-2005, 03:02 PM
Now that I left Engi and have no further responsibilities here I think I am free to say Ajoi, I never liked you! Please stay the hell away from me and the others!
11-13-2005, 06:01 PM
o_O Lol... Well anyways... Thread closed.
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